Chad Perrin: SOB

20 February 2009

4E fans: Let’s dispense with the argumentum ad hominem.

Filed under: Geek,RPG — Tags: , , — apotheon @ 07:32

This is part of my RPG series of entries here at SOB. See the inaugural entry in the series for more details.

I regularly see comments like these in defense of 4E’s decision to rip all the variation out of character classes:

The system prevents too much munchkining (which I love) and the people I’ve found who’ve hated it have generally (though not always) been Munchkins.

I see this crap all the time, and it’s getting really old. It seems to be predicated upon the assumption that anyone who doesn’t like the way 4E “balanced” the rules must be some kind of power gamer whose only interest in class variation is min/maxing. News flash: that’s bullshit.

How about in the future, when one of you provincial anti-3.5 jackasses (not all 4E players, mind you, just the jackasses) is tempted to insinuate that anyone that prefers 3.5 over 4E is just a “munchkin”, you shut the hell up? If you can’t come up with an actual counterargument to what someone else offered as a reason he or she dislikes 4E, you should just admit it or keep your mouth shut. Making personal attacks against people as a distraction from the subject of discussion doesn’t prove anything other than that you’re a jackass and you are unable or unwilling to have a reasonable discussion.

Notice how I very cleverly used a parenthetical equivocation to provide some mitigation of the harsh, insulting nature of my statement about “provincial anti-3.5 jackasses”? Yeah. Notice how the quote from a provincial anti-3.5 jackass above does the same thing? Think about how you felt, if you’re a provincial anti-3.5 jackass, when you read my parenthetical remark. Did that make you feel better? Did that eliminate any potential distaste you had for what I said? Do you think I’m convinced you are any less intentionally insulting just because of your own parenthetical remark? Yeah, parenthetical, insincere “Well, not all of you!” comments aren’t really much of an excuse. If you’re going to be a jackass, just own up to it.

Thanks for your time.


  1. Wow, you are really a douchebag.

    editor’s note: Let’s just preserve this pointless statement as a brilliant demonstration of the points made by the above SOB entry. Ironic — isn’t it?

    another editor’s note: One asinine, pointless, snide comment from a single commenter is enough to save for posterity. Later, less interesting, asinine, pointless, snide comments from the same commenter will be deleted.

    Comment by Thasmodious — 21 February 2009 @ 01:02

  2. Clearly you have no trouble owning up to being a jackass.

    Comment by Gary — 21 February 2009 @ 06:11

  3. When it makes a point, Gary — yes, I can be a jackass, and be honest and straightforward about it. I especially enjoy doing so with tongue planted firmly in cheek while taking someone else to task for doing so without that person making a point, or being honest and straightforward about it.

    Comment by apotheon — 21 February 2009 @ 10:55

  4. Your post is extremely immature, expect the comments to follow suit.

    Comment by Tom — 21 February 2009 @ 02:34

  5. Hey, whatever — as long as the core point actually gets across to a few people, I’m happy.

    Comment by apotheon — 21 February 2009 @ 02:39

  6. I like how you say “As long as the core point actually gets across to a few people.” Christians use this same argument to justify emotionally abusive tactics or completely retarded movies. I’d note that your argument isn’t well put and is really just preaching to the choir. As such anyone who doesn’t already agree with you will naturally be pushed away from what you’re saying because of the abrasive way in which your saying it. I guess I’m saying your post most likely does more harm then good, you’re just reconfirming the anti-3.5 peoples belief that anti-4e assholes are just as much of assholes as they thought before or pushing neutral people’s inclinations against you. I also can’t imagine anti-4e people caring that much about the post, I doubt it would push them one way or another because there’s nothing mindlessly titillating…just mindless.

    Comment by Your friend — 2 March 2009 @ 01:03

  7. Sounds like there’s a lot of provincial anti-3.5 jackasses commenting in this thread.

    Comment by Matt B — 28 March 2009 @ 04:51

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