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		<title>By: apotheon</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-342393</link>
		<dc:creator>apotheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be pretty obvious by now that I agree with all you&#039;ve said here, Omnedon.  I was recently thinking about the fact that I use specific knowledge of which protocols are currently showing up in my contact list as a general indicator of network health -- and here you&#039;ve made that point for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be pretty obvious by now that I agree with all you've said here, Omnedon.  I was recently thinking about the fact that I use specific knowledge of which protocols are currently showing up in my contact list as a general indicator of network health &#8212; and here you've made that point for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Omnedon</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-342308</link>
		<dc:creator>Omnedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has taken me a few days to read everything from this mini-meltdown.

I don&#039;t resize windows (of any program) merely because I can, I resize them so that I can give them a specific amount of screen real estate, usually between (or behind, with specific portions exposed) other windows and then I expect them to stay that way.

I hate web pages that resize my browser and/or are formatted to a fixed width spawning a bottom scroll bar.  I certainly don&#039;t want an IM client that thinks it knows what size my window or input area should be.

The protocol icon mini-meltdown should never have happened either.  I have one associate connected via two different protocols running from different machines.  If both go down it means my ISP has probably coughed up a lung (again).  If one goes down but not the other it means the file server has died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has taken me a few days to read everything from this mini-meltdown.</p>
<p>I don't resize windows (of any program) merely because I can, I resize them so that I can give them a specific amount of screen real estate, usually between (or behind, with specific portions exposed) other windows and then I expect them to stay that way.</p>
<p>I hate web pages that resize my browser and/or are formatted to a fixed width spawning a bottom scroll bar.  I certainly don't want an IM client that thinks it knows what size my window or input area should be.</p>
<p>The protocol icon mini-meltdown should never have happened either.  I have one associate connected via two different protocols running from different machines.  If both go down it means my ISP has probably coughed up a lung (again).  If one goes down but not the other it means the file server has died.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-03-11 -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-324282</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-03-11 -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chad Perrin: SOB » No, stupid, that&#8217;s not the problem. The customer is always wrong (tags: pidgin opensource im service) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-323558</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, good deal. I&#039;ll look through it sometime soon :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, good deal. I'll look through it sometime soon :)</p>
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		<title>By: apotheon</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-323526</link>
		<dc:creator>apotheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, the newer version of PHP on the newer webhost requires different syntax to grab variables out of the URL than the older version of PHP on the older webhost did, and I had no idea that had been changed.  Ouch.  I&#039;ll be adding a note to the tutorial in the section about what I dislike about PHP now.

It&#039;s fixed now.  Sorry about the difficulty.  Hopefully everything in the PHP tutorial works now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, the newer version of PHP on the newer webhost requires different syntax to grab variables out of the URL than the older version of PHP on the older webhost did, and I had no idea that had been changed.  Ouch.  I'll be adding a note to the tutorial in the section about what I dislike about PHP now.</p>
<p>It's fixed now.  Sorry about the difficulty.  Hopefully everything in the PHP tutorial works now.</p>
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		<title>By: apotheon</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-323507</link>
		<dc:creator>apotheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Thanks for the tutorial, but I&#039;m a little confused since it seems the top four links don&#039;t do anything.

Whoops.  I didn&#039;t notice that problem until now.  I&#039;ll see about fixing that.  It must have happened when I moved the apotheon.org domain from one webhost to another.

&gt; I didn&#039;t really mean to copy it so blatantly

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, they say.  Feel free to draw inspiration from it.

&gt; I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re thanking me for, but I appreciate the interest. I think you&#039;re the only person I&#039;ve known who&#039;s thanked me for taking up some of their time.

Well . . . I *did* ask for the information.  I appreciate the fact you actually gave me that information.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the tutorial, but I'm a little confused since it seems the top four links don't do anything.</p>
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<p>Whoops.  I didn't notice that problem until now.  I'll see about fixing that.  It must have happened when I moved the apotheon.org domain from one webhost to another.</p>
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<p>I didn't really mean to copy it so blatantly</p>
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<p>Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, they say.  Feel free to draw inspiration from it.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure what you're thanking me for, but I appreciate the interest. I think you're the only person I've known who's thanked me for taking up some of their time.</p>
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<p>Well .&nbsp;.&nbsp;. I <em>did</em> ask for the information.  I appreciate the fact you actually gave me that information.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-323474</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a site I maintain and host for a World of Warcraft guild that plays on a private server (I used to be in it, but I don&#039;t play anymore). For the most part I don&#039;t decide what goes up there, and the design of the site has been cobbled together from various people throwing images at me and saying &quot;implement it here&quot;. I just write the code, being inept at any sort of aesthetic judgment myself. Someone with a more artistic bent is redesiging how the site should look, so it&#039;s going to get a major face lift soon. I took the project since I&#039;ve tried and failed several times to teach myself html, mostly because I&#039;m the sort that loses interest if I&#039;m not working on something that&#039;s actually going to be used. It&#039;s done well enough in focusing my energy, and as the guild grows it&#039;s needs expand, so there&#039;s always something else that I need to learn to implement. Right now it&#039;s PhP since the guild master is asking for some automated system to keep track of the point system the guild uses, and I&#039;m hoping to put up an area where you can sign up for raids on the site.

Eventually I&#039;m hoping to use the space as a gaming network or some such. My brother and myself and are both rather active gamers, so we&#039;re probably going to establish guilds on various games, and it&#039;ll be good to have a space to coordinate. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let me know if you want any help with that. Also, y&#039;know, CSS. You might want to check out this PHP tutorial thingie, as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for the tutorial, but I&#039;m a little confused since it seems the top four links don&#039;t do anything. I&#039;ve downloaded the text file and I&#039;ll look through it an a day or two. I could probably use the help but I doubt I&#039;ll ever work up the nerve to actually pester anyone with questions.

&lt;blockquote&gt;or maybe they send one sentence at a time, inundating people with many short messages in a very short period of time (which I tend to find mildly annoying), rather than completing a thought in a single message.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That does seem to be the default method of instant messaging in my experience. It used to annoy me in times past, but I don&#039;t notice it anymore. 

And I&#039;m so used to hitting ctrl-s to save my work whenever I&#039;m typing anything that I just accidentally saved this webpage.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, I can see that. Ahem. It&#039;s readable and clear so far, by the way, which I take as a good thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Eheh. I didn&#039;t really mean to copy it so blatantly; I&#039;d actually spent a week or two looking at various sites with black backgrounds (I find them much easier on the eyes) to see how it could be done, and yours sort of won out since it had the simple look I was after (my biggest complaint about most sites is that they&#039;re overly cluttered).

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re thanking me for, but I appreciate the interest. I think you&#039;re the only person I&#039;ve known who&#039;s thanked me for taking up some of their time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a site I maintain and host for a World of Warcraft guild that plays on a private server (I used to be in it, but I don't play anymore). For the most part I don't decide what goes up there, and the design of the site has been cobbled together from various people throwing images at me and saying "implement it here". I just write the code, being inept at any sort of aesthetic judgment myself. Someone with a more artistic bent is redesiging how the site should look, so it's going to get a major face lift soon. I took the project since I've tried and failed several times to teach myself html, mostly because I'm the sort that loses interest if I'm not working on something that's actually going to be used. It's done well enough in focusing my energy, and as the guild grows it's needs expand, so there's always something else that I need to learn to implement. Right now it's PhP since the guild master is asking for some automated system to keep track of the point system the guild uses, and I'm hoping to put up an area where you can sign up for raids on the site.</p>
<p>Eventually I'm hoping to use the space as a gaming network or some such. My brother and myself and are both rather active gamers, so we're probably going to establish guilds on various games, and it'll be good to have a space to coordinate. </p>
<blockquote><p>Let me know if you want any help with that. Also, y'know, CSS. You might want to check out this PHP tutorial thingie, as well.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the tutorial, but I'm a little confused since it seems the top four links don't do anything. I've downloaded the text file and I'll look through it an a day or two. I could probably use the help but I doubt I'll ever work up the nerve to actually pester anyone with questions.</p>
<blockquote><p>or maybe they send one sentence at a time, inundating people with many short messages in a very short period of time (which I tend to find mildly annoying), rather than completing a thought in a single message.</p></blockquote>
<p>That does seem to be the default method of instant messaging in my experience. It used to annoy me in times past, but I don't notice it anymore. </p>
<p>And I'm so used to hitting ctrl-s to save my work whenever I'm typing anything that I just accidentally saved this webpage.</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, I can see that. Ahem. It's readable and clear so far, by the way, which I take as a good thing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Eheh. I didn't really mean to copy it so blatantly; I'd actually spent a week or two looking at various sites with black backgrounds (I find them much easier on the eyes) to see how it could be done, and yours sort of won out since it had the simple look I was after (my biggest complaint about most sites is that they're overly cluttered).</p>
<blockquote><p>Thanks!</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure what you're thanking me for, but I appreciate the interest. I think you're the only person I've known who's thanked me for taking up some of their time.</p>
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		<title>By: apotheon</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-323434</link>
		<dc:creator>apotheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My biggest peeve with the first selection you quoted is something I didn&#039;t even mention when I first posted the above ranty complaint about the Pidgin developers.  In short, the guy basically says &quot;I&#039;m not saying I don&#039;t care about this &#039;problem&#039;.  I just don&#039;t give a shit.&quot;

&gt; Seems a very short sighted assumption to assume there&#039;s no good reason to have over four lines of input space.

That kind of attitude makes me think these people probably don&#039;t use complete sentences -- or maybe they send one sentence at a time, inundating people with many short messages in a very short period of time (which I tend to find mildly annoying), rather than completing a thought in a single message.

&gt; Incidentally some time ago you asked me to let you know if I ever created some sort of web space.

Thanks!

&gt; Any similarity to another one of your sites is purely coincidental and has nothing to do with the fact I like dark backgrounds.

Yes, I can see that.  Ahem.  It&#039;s readable and clear so far, by the way, which I take as a good thing.

&gt; Tune in next week for bright, seizure-inducing flash animations.

Please, fertheluvvagawd, no.

&gt; Bear with me as I learn html and hopefully some PhP in the near future.

Let me know if you want any help with that.  Also, y&#039;know, CSS.  You might want to check out **[this PHP tutorial thingie](http://arc.apotheon.org/cheats/php.php)**, as well.

Is FoA your site, or are you just borrowing subdomain space there?

&gt; congratulations on achieving an internet connection in the wild untamed jungles of Berlin, or Zaire, or whatever you call your patch of trees

That&#039;s just hilarious.

Welcome to the ranks of those with their own valves in the series of tubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biggest peeve with the first selection you quoted is something I didn't even mention when I first posted the above ranty complaint about the Pidgin developers.  In short, the guy basically says "I'm not saying I don't care about this 'problem'.  I just don't give a shit."</p>
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<p>Seems a very short sighted assumption to assume there's no good reason to have over four lines of input space.</p>
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<p>That kind of attitude makes me think these people probably don't use complete sentences &#8212; or maybe they send one sentence at a time, inundating people with many short messages in a very short period of time (which I tend to find mildly annoying), rather than completing a thought in a single message.</p>
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<p>Incidentally some time ago you asked me to let you know if I ever created some sort of web space.</p>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
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<p>Any similarity to another one of your sites is purely coincidental and has nothing to do with the fact I like dark backgrounds.</p>
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<p>Yes, I can see that.  Ahem.  It's readable and clear so far, by the way, which I take as a good thing.</p>
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<p>Tune in next week for bright, seizure-inducing flash animations.</p>
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<p>Please, fertheluvvagawd, no.</p>
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<p>Bear with me as I learn html and hopefully some PhP in the near future.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Let me know if you want any help with that.  Also, y'know, CSS.  You might want to check out <strong><a href="http://arc.apotheon.org/cheats/php.php">this PHP tutorial thingie</a></strong>, as well.</p>
<p>Is FoA your site, or are you just borrowing subdomain space there?</p>
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<p>congratulations on achieving an internet connection in the wild untamed jungles of Berlin, or Zaire, or whatever you call your patch of trees</p>
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<p>That's just hilarious.</p>
<p>Welcome to the ranks of those with their own valves in the series of tubes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=363&#038;cpage=1#comment-323231</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hbons says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not saying I don&#039;t care about this &quot;problem&quot;. Only, Pidgin wasn&#039;t designed to be a text editor. If you&#039;re complaining about you can&#039;t code in Pidgin, I would tell you to to use something else, and so would anyone else.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In my admittedly short stint in doing testing for startups, I&#039;ve noticed that all the programmers were pretty much using IM as their main means of communication, including sending each other large blocks of code. Seems a very short sighted assumption to assume there&#039;s no good reason to have over four lines of input space.

I intensely dislike this attitude where people expect you to justify your preferences. There&#039;s always some argumentative idiot willing to go to lengths to argue why you shouldn&#039;t be doing things the way you like to do them. 

Seanegan says:&lt;blockquote&gt;
Some people are white-space fetishists :) &lt;/blockquote&gt;

World class git.

Incidentally some time ago you asked me to let you know if I ever created some sort of web space. I started on it today, it&#039;s linked in my... thing. Any similarity to another one of your sites is purely coincidental and has nothing to do with the fact I like dark backgrounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hbons says:</p>
<blockquote><p>I'm not saying I don't care about this "problem". Only, Pidgin wasn't designed to be a text editor. If you're complaining about you can't code in Pidgin, I would tell you to to use something else, and so would anyone else.</p></blockquote>
<p>In my admittedly short stint in doing testing for startups, I've noticed that all the programmers were pretty much using IM as their main means of communication, including sending each other large blocks of code. Seems a very short sighted assumption to assume there's no good reason to have over four lines of input space.</p>
<p>I intensely dislike this attitude where people expect you to justify your preferences. There's always some argumentative idiot willing to go to lengths to argue why you shouldn't be doing things the way you like to do them. </p>
<p>Seanegan says:<br />
<blockquote>
Some people are white-space fetishists :) </p></blockquote>
<p>World class git.</p>
<p>Incidentally some time ago you asked me to let you know if I ever created some sort of web space. I started on it today, it's linked in my.&nbsp;.&nbsp;. thing. Any similarity to another one of your sites is purely coincidental and has nothing to do with the fact I like dark backgrounds.</p>
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		<title>By: apotheon</title>
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		<dc:creator>apotheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to SOB, and thanks for commenting.  While I thus far don&#039;t have much use for the webcam or voice messaging, I have to agree with you on the substandard state of the other features (or lack thereof) you mention.

Frankly, if it wasn&#039;t for the combination of OTR support and IM protocol support, I would probably be using something else (like CenterIM).  I generally prefer applications that stay small and get out of my way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to SOB, and thanks for commenting.  While I thus far don't have much use for the webcam or voice messaging, I have to agree with you on the substandard state of the other features (or lack thereof) you mention.</p>
<p>Frankly, if it wasn't for the combination of OTR support and IM protocol support, I would probably be using something else (like CenterIM).  I generally prefer applications that stay small and get out of my way.</p>
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		<title>By: Motivator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Motivator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t like about this version is that, the same as with the previous ones, it lacks themes, and the user interface is quite simplistic, not to say too standardized to a much too common model. I would also like to mention here the lack of support for webcam or voice messaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don't like about this version is that, the same as with the previous ones, it lacks themes, and the user interface is quite simplistic, not to say too standardized to a much too common model. I would also like to mention here the lack of support for webcam or voice messaging.</p>
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